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That looks disgusting, why would you start injecting that into your body?

I'm all for experimentation, but don't do it OP.

lorde's debut album

>shooting horse
don't

just don't dude

smoke it or something instead

>>44909252
feels good mang
>>44909255
too late

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZuukOw6SO8

Velvet Underground - Heroin

Are you even rushing on your run?

Quasimoto - Astro Travellin

>Never hittin no coke, that's no joke
>And yo, I don't poke needles in my veins
I> don't be goin for broke
>Strictly haze for days, travellin higher
>Petty people's down, wonderin why I'm so wired

>tfw anywhere, everywhere, sparking the la

You can't go wrong with Souvlaki

Fever Ray

>>44909228
OP is fucked.

>>44909300
Greek food in general is great when you're on drugs

Heroin is really that common in UK?

>>44909228
>>44909228
Spiritualized - Ladies And Gentlemen We're Floating In Space

Honest question but why shoot up with all the risks involved instead of just smoking it?

My friend shoots up in my bathroom all the time and I'm deathly afraid he's going to fucking kill himself one of these days.

fuuuuuuuuck man.


your life is about to go to shit, have fun while it lasts.

-sincerely, recovering junkie.

also, this song is p.good for that shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlqgijgd3d0

>>44909307
I think this i what you meant...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUtnwcv-quE

>>44909252
Disgusting? That picture looks delicious to me, it literary makes my mouth water. I need to get back into dope.

OP, I always liked softer kind of stuff, like dream pop or shoegaze or ethereal wave.

Nine Inch Nails - The Downward Spiral

;)

>>44909330
it feels better and you don't waste as much of the heroin

>>44909228

Anything by Charlie Parker.

The Velvet Underground - Heroin

>>44909330
its all a progression man. people start with pk's, that gets too expensive, move on to h and start by smoking it, then that doesnt get the job done, shooting up is more efficient and cost effective for them. and if you live in eastern europe the next step is krokodile

>>44909336

Not all people lack self control.

>>44909330
It all hits you at once and you can like taste it and shit.

>>44909228
Have fun with addiction my friend.

...physical... exhausting... miserable addiction

I honestly don't understand how anyone could do heroin in the year 2014. All the shit we've been told about weed, ecstacy, and coke and whatnot were bullshit, yes, but literally everyone who does heroin becomes a junkie scumbag and ruins their life.

People way overhype the addiction. Just don't be a bitch. Use it occasionally. It's not difficult.

>>44909368
Heroin isn't a recreation drug that can be used responsibly.

>>44909228
Beach House

>>44909391

I bet you only used it once or twice.

I never used it, but i did cocain several times and it already is highly addictive, i can't even imagine Heroin.

can anyone explain the high? i love all kinds of drugs but ill never touch this.

>>44909330

It feels so much better. I'd rather shoot oxy than smoke heroin.

>>44909368
I've never known anyone to use the needle regularly and have it not become a problem.

>>44909439
it's like smoking weed but louder

>>44909439
its an opiate--like percocets or vicodin

Meth addiction is way worse than heroin addiction.

>>44909368
What a staggering misunderstanding.

I shot H 3 times (over 3 years ago), and I can understand how people get hooked (but I couldn't know what kind of shit they go through). It's a level of happiness that people aren't equipped to resist. I'm just lucky that my circumstances and luck prevented me from getting addicted. My friend is going to court today to hear whether or not his appeal will stand. If it doesn't, he's gotta do another 10 months. Because he wasn't as lucky as I was.

>>44909368
it is fucking heroin man. you know, try to kick on self control in two years when you don't know how to function with out any more, and then tell me you don't have a problem. It is kids like you that die man, and it breaks my heart.

>>44909461
Meth addicts are the seriously fucked up ones who do weird shit. Heroin addicts just get gaunt and eventually overdose or get clean after a while.

>>44909469
It's natural selection.

>>44909466
>My friend is going to court today to hear whether or not his appeal will stand. If it doesn't, he's gotta do another 10 months. Because he wasn't as lucky as I was.
What happened?

>>44909469
its so hard to imagine not being able to not do something. like surely at some point you like 'ok no this is fucking heroin i should maybe not do this anymore'

i guess because i've never been chemically addicted to something its hard to comprehend?

>>44909368
>"I shoot dope two or three times a week, but I can stop whenever I want dude !"
>"No, I never tried to stop once, but I don't want to stop though. But if I wanted I could dude, it's just a matter of volition and self-control !"

>>44909523
I bet you'd struggle to quit 4chan

I think 4chan needs a /drug/ board

>>44909228
should have started with snorting it, then moved to smoking, then shooting

you're ruining your tolerance and you'll get hooked and your life will be fucked up faster

i know you fags think you got good self control but trust me. it gets harder and harder as you continue using. i started doing it once a month and ended up addicted and pawning all my shit and stealing from family and friends

now i'm on methadone and i'm way happier

>>44909520
addiction, suicide attempts, irresponsible behavior. I think this current thing is for violating parole vis a vis driving while intoxicated or something.

>>44909549
whats your point? theres a difference between chemical and mental addiction. a la being 'addicted' to weed.

and to that example in particular- yeah i would struggle to quit 4chan because its a positive thing in my life, not a detrimental one? are you trying to say that when you use heroin you convince yourself it's not a bad thing?

>>44909563
it saddens me that ill never be able to experience heroin cause im so prone to addiction i know id be fucked from the first time

>>44909523
For me, being addicted to nicotine, its not a matter of "i probably shouldnt do this anymore". Rather that fact that if I havent smoked a cigarette in a few hours it is literally the only thing on my mind. I cant focus and concentrate on anything until I finally kill the urge with another cigarette. It cirpples you so hard that the unhealthy aspects become irrelevant.

>>44909559
There is already 420chan dude.

>on heroin
>likes music
>not making music
You're doing it all 50 shades of wrong faggot

>>44909612
420chan is so depressing

OP here thanks for the recs guys. I already know a lot of Charlie bird parker. Ive also wanted to get high to some MBDTF of maybe some death grips(i want i need it)
I want something like "psychedelic-jazz" sound anybody know something that sounds like that

>>44909583
Physical addiction is nothing. I mean, heroin withdrawals are pretty fucking shitty, but it's nothing compared to the mental addiction.

>>44909559
It would be complete shit. I think /mu/ is the most accepting when it comes to drugs. I don't do drugs but I don't mind reading about others' experiences.

>>44909612
>
>>44909623
>44909623
This: >>44909612
Yeah 420chan is just shit

>>44909523
its like asking a fat person to just "stop eating"

or an anorexic person to start eating

or asking you to stop going to 4chan forever

sure, you'll probably say "thats no problem i can do that" but talk is cheap.

how about you start dating your dream girl and then your friends tell you to break up with her because apparently your relationship is toxic despite your love for her. and then she moves away. thats what a chemical dependency feels like

>>44909602
iktf

I really want to quit too. I feel like I'm only doing it to kill time at this point too.

>>44909602
>>44909637
>>44909644

wow ok thanks, very insightful.

>>44909628
On the Corner, Miles Davis. By that time he was a complete smackhead himself.

>>44909637
alcohol withdrawal can actually kill you

>>44909544

>two three times a week

That's a lot. I'm talking like, once a month, tops.

>>44909628
Maybe like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13L6sjk080c

>>44909598
i have an oral fixation (chronic nail biter and smoker), plus i have an addictive personality and low self control

doing heroin was bar none the worst decision i've ever made

>>44909602
Is Heroin addiction and withdrawal anyway comparable to that of Nicotine? Or is it on a complete other level?

>>44909650
Miles Davis was also No fap when he was using

>>44909228

>>44909385
because it feels amazing and sometimes you just feel like giving up on life

>>44909673
It's been suggested that cigarettes are actually more addicting than heroin, or at least harder to quit, but I don't have the basis to judge.

>>44909699
he didn't do drugs tho

>>44909673
thousands of times worse. you're so depressed and bored that nothing will entertain you and you want to die. your body is crawling in gooseflesh and cold sweat. you puke and shit nonstop. you can't sleep, you can't eat. you don't even have enough energy to lift your arms. everything hurts. you're cold. no wait, you're hot. now you're cold. hot. cold. hot. there's a laundry list of symptoms but those are the worst and altogether it's a kind of hell none of you will ever face. it's like hopelessness and physical agony rolled up into a neat little package that feels like it will never end.

>>44909667
sorry to hear it m8, i take it you're off it now? ive tried some other opiates so i can relate to how good they feel.

scariest drugs for me personally are alcohol and cocaine, the former cause its everywhere and the latter cause im naturally rather manic/excitable so it fits my psyche scarily well

>>44909439
feels like cumming, on repeat. and you're relaxed, but in a strange way. you can feel anxiety, but if you lie down and just let the physical feelings hit you, it goes away.

>>44909523
the psychological aspect is the bitch, I imagine

sure, withdrawals suck, but people bounce back and forth all the time. life feels empty without it, especially during the first few weeks. it's probably something chemical. I can't really speak for physical aspects, but they go away.

>>44909725

>>44909709
>>44909725
See, I've heard both and a lot of people talk down the withdrawl from Heroin, If cigarettes are harder to quick it might be that there's just less incentive to quit

>>44909781
Yeah, and smoking is really more of a compulsive addiction than an actual dependency so they're hard to compare.

>>44909710

Leonard Cohen IS a drug. Also,

> Leonard Cohen: The Butcher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoArm1nkTnA

> He said, "Listen to me, child,
> I am what I am
> and you, you are my only son."
> Well, I found a silver needle,
> I put it into my arm.
> It did some good,
> did some harm.
> But the nights were cold
> and it almost kept me warm,
> how come the night is long?

>>44909781
>here's just less incentive to quit
It is definitely this. Cigarettes really dont do much to you apart from killing you at 50 or whatever, but in the short term youre just a bit more on edge and your lungs are shitty. Heroin ruins your life.

>>44909646
It is definitely just a time kill. At a point smoking doesnt feel good at all anymore. Everytime I would light up it would remind me I was pushing myself one step closer to my grave, but I simply couldnt stop. What else could I spend my time on?

What eventually helped my quit for good was starting to work out. I filled my days with weightlifting, and whenever I got the urges I could just go for a 20 minutes run instead. Now Im completely smoke free and work out 4 days a week. Feeling betetr than ever.

>>44909228

>>44909598
Same for me. However I have access to codeine because it's an OTC medicine where I live and I tried a small dose of morphine once so I have a vague idea how it's like, and basically you just feel a sense of peace inside of you. It's cool but with a large dose you don't want to do anything else than laying down on a couch, because otherwise you feel nauseous (and I really don't like that but I guess this side effect is more prevalent with codeine). So you feel good but at the same time it's a vapid activity.

>>44909781
yeah cigs are socially acceptable. heroin isnt

>>44909822
also this

>>44909781
Having used opiates and struggled with psychological withdrawals- neither the physical nor psychological addictiveness of nicotine is comparable. Sure, you still want to smoke once in a while, but it only takes a little bit of thinking to say "hey, I don't really /need/ to smoke, and it would do me harm"

Whereas with opiates it's "I really want to take some, and I know it's bad for me, but I need to stop myself. I guess I'll have to suffer through this without the crutch."

>>44909804
this was sung in character

>>44909826
ive actually tried a few opiates, codeine, oxycodone, and hydromorphone(snorted not injected) and while they feel nice its never been strong enough to really scare me. from what i hear about heroin it would be the end of me lol

>>44909439

I've only ever smoked it, and it seemed similar to popping oxycontin except it comes on a lot faster and is a stronger by degree. It felt a little different, but I'm not sure how to explain that. I only vary rarely use any type of opiate because I have an addictive personality, so my experience with that type of drug is one free of tolerance or pain -- a junkie probably experiences the average opiate quite differently than me using it once or twice a year.

Basically, it just feels really nice. You know that feeling after you smoke a bowl of indica, your muscles all relax, your worries go away, and you feel at peace? It's like that, but more lucid, more thorough. It's like taking that final exhale before going to sleep, and dragging it out for an hour or two. A contented sigh that just sort of lingers. Everything's beautiful, or at least, you're fine with everything. Nothing really worries you. Sometimes I feel like I can do anything, but I'm quite fine with nothing at all happening. It actually makes me more creating than weed does, but that might be because I smoke weed 24/7/365.

>>44909837

Does it matter? Why does the artist need to be on drugs/sing specifically about drugs in order to enjoy it on drugs?

>>44909895
>of indica, your muscles all relax, your worries go away, and you feel at peace?
Im pretty sure thats Sativa
Indica is the super intense kind isnt it

>>44909916
Didn't say that he can't enjoy it on drugs

>dumb enough to do heroin when there's a plethora of "safe" drugs out there to get a similar feeling with

smh

>>44909931
>Im pretty sure thats Sativa
>Indica is the super intense kind isnt it

No, you've got it backwards. Sativa has more THC which is a mild stimulant, Indica has more CBD/CBN and less THC, it's more relaxing and more typically used for medical applications.

>>44909967
>drugs
>safe
u wot

>>44909976
oh wow
ive had that backwards my whole life lol

>>44909931
No, indica is the night weed. Indica is a type that has nothing to do with potency. Satvia is the day weed and that name has nothing to do with potency.

welcome to heaven

>>44910020
>nothing to do with potency
by intense i just meant its more 'psychedelic' or harder to deal with or whatever

>>44910010
weed isn't addictive and also not that unhealthy

>>44910010
Weed with vape or edibles is safe. Mushrooms and LSD are safe.

>recently into heroin
>injecting it

Try harder, DARE.

>>44909976
Has anyone ever had sick Sativa and felt just mad hyper and buzzed? like it's not even weed? i had this once and never had again, it's weird man

>>44909327
It's common everywhere. It's one of the most popular drugs in the world

>>44909228
The people who say that nicotine is more addictive than heroin are comparing them by volume/weight. The amount of nicotine it takes to get you addicted it a tiny fraction of the amount of heroin it would take.

>>44910067
They dont give you a similar feeling as heroin though

>>44910065
weed is most definitely addictive, people have withdrawals

Can we make this thread about why Trainspotting is the greatest movie ever made?

Not entirely related but
>tfw I'm becoming an alcoholic

It wont kill you as fast, but believe me it's almost as addicting.

I always have a few shots before leaving the house and I'm always ordering alcohol at bars, and I also carry a flask around. I try to make a party out of everything, and my idea of a great day out is chilling some place on the street or near the beach or wherever drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes. I'll go out at night almost any day the clubs are open and my impulsive personality means I just ignore the hangovers and force myself out again. The shots thing has been going on daily and it wont take me long to be constantly drinking.

Worse of all I'm a slightly successful DJ/producer that's only getting more popular, so I'm gigging extremely often now and I always end up drinking.

My biggest fear is trying cocaine. Just hearing about it I already know I'd absolutely love it and I'd become addicted straight away.

Someone help me prevent this getting any worse. I don't want to become an alcoholic, I don't want to die young, my family are notorious for having heart problems and struggling with addictions.

>>44910106
Well, I was just repeating what some doctor who works at a rehab told me and my class in like sixth grade.

>>44909228
grouper
>>44910106
true

>>44910118
Go to AA

>>44910113
I've tried to finish that movie three times. It's terrible.

>>44910113
It's great but not the greatest ever m8
>>44910118
>tfw don't even like alcohol
It just makes me sleepy and give me a headache. I kind of wish I liked it more.

>>44910106
1 in 11 show symptoms of weed withdrawal. I've smoked several times daily for years and have no problem taking breaks for days or weeks if thats needed for whatever reason.

>>44909327
Yeah but it's really under the radar, I live in quite a nice small town in Sussex and my friend know i guy who just died from a heroin overdose. It scummier places and the cities, especially in Scotland it obviously is but got a small presence everywhere, just pretty deep into the drug scene

>>44910149
>not being able to finish fucking Trainspotting
dude what the hell? do you have adhd or somethting that movie is extremely entertaining and fast-paced

>>44910149
>i cant understand what theyre saying
>therefore its terrible

>>44910170
most people dont show alcohol withdrawal symptoms either
the fact is people do get addicted to weed

this isnt an indictment of the drug, its just something to be aware of

>>44910054

No, Sativa is more psychedelic if anything, not Indica. THC administered on its own causes crazy paranoia and badvibes, it needs to have CBD/CBN to counteract some of that and level it out. Indica is a more sleepy, stony, couch-lock type of thing, whereas you might smoke sativa if you were at a party, concert, or hiking.

>>44910194
Physically or psychologically? You can get addicted to soda as well, doesn't make it addictive in general.

>>44910113
seconded

>>44910118
I just decided I wanted/needed to cut back so I started setting limits for myself. Stop small and gradually increase. ie keep it to 30 drinks a week, then 25, etc. Sure it takes a lot of willpower and self control, but that's the point really. I'm down to 14 drinks a week which is what's considered the borderline for abuse, and I'm pretty comfortable there now. Anyway at least I know my liver isn't gonna be trashed by 40 now.

>>44910170
Yeah, i had a period six months ago of smoking weed pretty much everyday, never less than 6 days a week and I felt nothing even close to an addiction. I've got 4 or 5 mates that do this as well and they never 'need' to smoke when they don't for a few days

>>44910200
So basically everything i thought i need about weed is wrong lol
Funny part is i used to deal it and I would bullshit so much about different strains and their effects to customers and i dont even know what sativa/indica are apparently

>THC administered on its own causes crazy paranoia and badvibes
also this is quite intriguing because this is basically how weed makes me feel. i wonder if i have a problem absorbing the CBD/CBN or something

>>44910194
>most people dont show alcohol withdrawal symptoms either

No, if you're addicted to alcohol, you WILL have withdrawal symptoms. Alcohol acts as an NMDA antagonist -- prolonged use upregulates NMDA activity, and sudden cessation of alcohol intake causes neurotoxicity due to upregulated NMDA -- which can cause death.

Weed withdrawals basically mean you feel a little annoyed and have trouble sleeping for a few days, or you get really crazy/vivid dreams. You can't really compare the two.

>>44910216
just psychologically.

the only physical aspect might be difficulty falling asleep if you're used to smoking before bed and take a break for a night

>>44910216
well they have panic attacks and insomnia and stuff with withdrawal
idk about the prevalence of this but it happens

also its different than soda because sugar is not a drug

>>44910249
RIght but most people dont get addicted to alcohol even if they drink all the time. I agree that alcohol is a far more dangerous drug than weed though dont get me wrong

>>44909364
The Velvet Underground - the White Light White Album, Self Titled and Self Titled with Nico. All essentials.

Also, OP, this Galaxie 500 album ^^
Galaxie 500 - Flowers album
The Jesus and Mary Chain -Honey's Dead album
Mazzy Star - First Album
Slowdive -Souvlaki Space Station

Liz Phair's songs - Animal Girl
-Shane (a personal favorite)
- glory
- mesmerizing

Now some real classics:
The Doors - Soul Kitchen, The End, When The Music's Over
The Rolling Stones - Can't You Hear Me knocking, Dead Flowers, The Midnight Rambler, Moonlight Mile
The Beatles- I Want You (She's So Heavy), Happiness is a Warm Gun
Iggy And the Stooges - Fun House Album, Gimme Danger Little Stranger
Pink Floyd - Obscured By Clouds album, Fat Old Sun
Sonic Youth - Schizophrenia, There's Sound-World, Total Trash
Nirvana - (not for me but some people really like the Unplugged show)
The Meat Puppets- Plateau
The Breeders - Pod album
Beat Happening - Godsend
Television - Marquee Moon
David Bowie - Low, Heroes albums (especially the B sides)
Iggy Pop - The Idiot Album
Eno - Another Green World, Before and After Science
Chopin- Nocturnes (I prefer Rubenstein)
Debussey - Clair De Lune
Have fun!

>Tfw watching heroin addicts lining up outside the pharmacy at 7am every morning
>tfw everytime you pass one they ask for a pound
>tfw working in a hospital and watchint heroin addicts shit themselves and spaz out because they haven't had a hit in a couple hours

>>44910113
Interesting funny characters, shows drug abuse in a realistic way by not glorifying them but at the same time showing how amazing they feel, great dialog and a goat soundtrack yep

>>44910315
>lining up outside the pharmacy at 7am every morning
what are they getting at the pharmacy?

>>44910251
its physical too
THC affects you because it binds to receptors usually activated by endocannabinoids involved in the regulation mood, appetite and sleep. smoke enough weed for long enough and your production of endocannabinoids reduces. stop smoking suddenly and you will experience some degree of restlessness, lack of appetite and insomnia for a week or two until your production of endocannabinoids returns to normal.

>>44910248

Here's a video where they tried different concentrations of THC and cannabidiol to see how they interacted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2cAFRAX3Gs

Anxiety from weed is caused by THC. If it's too much, you need something like an indica. The stronger the indica, the less anxiety, but strong indica makes you feel sleepy and you won't want to get off your couch.

>>44910279
I really doubt people get panic attacks from weed withdrawal. The only thing I can imagine is those people smoked weed to keep their panic attacks in check. Mild insomnia and irritability are pretty much the symptoms associated with weed.

>>44910334
needles probably

>>44910334
Methadone, duh

I want to start smoking but I don't want to smell like shit

>>44910334
cant remember what its called but in the uk addicts get a free bottle of something that stops withdrawl symptoms for a while. Its funny because the dealers also wait outside the pharmacy and as soon as the addicts have had there bottle they still shoot buy some more heroin aswell.

>>44910118
>>tfw I'm becoming an alcoholic

Yeah that feel. Going to go buy another 26 of vodka soon..ffs

>>44910387
Smoking what?

>>44910118

I actually think that alcohol addiction is worse than heroin addiction. Assuming you have a constant supply of both, and both are equally pure, alcohol withdrawals will kill you much more easily than heroin withdrawals. Both are about equally bad, I think, in terms of non-death withdrawal symptoms. But during regular use, heroin doesn't cause nearly as much organ damage as alcohol does.

>>44910387
Weed or cigarettes? If weed, just use a vape and problem is solved. If cigarettes, just dont. Cigarettes really doesnt feel that good at all and are completely unneccessary.

source: I used to be addicted to cigarettes.

>>44910394
methadone

>>44910426
cock

>>44909507
no it's not. stop invoking darwin when you don't understand evolution, neckbeard.

>>44910446
>Cigarettes really doesnt feel that good at all

Nah, cigarettes (or tobacco in general) feel absolutely amazing -- but only for the first few uses. After that, it doesn't do shit except make you poop.

By about my third pack of cigarettes I wasn't getting anything out of it, so I switched to swedish snus. Keeps me regular. I do get a little bit of a buzz from it if I'm baked, though I do use it every day.

>>44910501
>what is tongue in cheek

>>44910427
What's the 'comedown' like after taking Heroin? Like how do you feel the next day? A MDMA comedown's worse than a hangover and that's war worse than smoking weed has barely any hangover at all

>>44910496
kek

Oh how interesting, a family friend died at 17 yesterday due to heroin overdose. OP I'm going to turn your face inside out and shove it up your ass you retarded sack of shit.

Listen to Dads or some shit while you kill yourself with that disgusting crap.

>>44910507
I agree. They do feel good in the beginning, which is why people get hooked. But they lose effect so quickly that starting at all is just stupid. Snus is great, but also lose effect after a while. I first quit cigarettes with snus, and when snus lost its effect I only used it like once every other day for the great feeling.

>>44910427
>heroin doesn't cause nearly as much organ damage as alcohol does
if your gear is pure and your IV/sterile technique is good, heroin doesnt do any harm at all, people with chronic pain live for decades on prescribed opiates. all the harm involved in heroin use comes from dirty rigs/bad technique leading to disease, infection and vascular damage, contaminated heroin and the lifestyle often resulting from addiction rather than the diamorphine itself.
>>44910525
there isnt one, it just fades away and you wake up feeling great after 14 hours of the best sleep you ever had

ITT: 5% music recs
95% /mu/ authority on drug use

great thread guys

Also: Smashing Pumpkins - Dat Mellon Collie piano Intro

>>44910587
That's so chill, If only it wasn't addictive...

>>44909228
>sitting to music while on dope
your dumb nigga? shit get's you euphoric af, don't waste it listening to whatever these fucbois rec you

>>44910427
Alcohol addiction probably is worse than heroin addiction, being an alcoholic is devastating for you and everyone around you, it makes many people into violent wrecks, being a junkie isnt really as bad apart from you stealing peoples shit to pawn for a hit. I guess the OD rate for heroin is a lot higher though

>>44910573
Shit dude, he isn't an inherently bad person for choosing to do smack... :/

>>44910624
yeah :/

>>44910610
>I need hood heroin music
>recs the Smashing Pumpkins song the drummer doesn't play on
topkek

>tfw want to get back into the drug scene
>tfw NEET, and no money

i miss drugs. i never did heroin, but i'd do like oxys/painkillers (i know, white trash drugs), and coke.

>>44910624
Nigga, it's 20 fucking 14, stop thinking about doing heroin you retard

Failure fantastic planet

>>44910651
No, he's not, but he's inherently fucking retarded. In this day and age anyone with 15 brain cells who consciously decides to do heroin, let alone shoot the shit, has the mental capacity of steamed broccoli. My cousin is addicted to that shit as well, and my state is riddled with it. Sorry I don't take it as lightly as most people.

>>44910650
Much of the reason people OD on heroin is because of uneven quality. You're used to doing shit heroin, so you shoot up a lot of it. Suddenly you get something stronger, but you dont adjust your dosage. The illegality of it is litarelly whats killing people. Im not for over the counter sale of heroin, but if all the supply came from a single source that was quality checked, along with professionally assisted injections, it would go a long way to help current addicts, and reduce black market availability, and consequently new recruiting.

>>44910787
>now that cigarettes are legal, no one is dying of lung cancer and there are less new smokers

>>44910787
Yeah it should definitely be legalized and regulated, the war on drugs has proven to be absurd

>>44910818
Or is it more absurd to let people kill themselves and allow them to perpetuate antisocial behavior?

>>44910787
the best thing to do for drugs is to have silk road legalized, IMO.

you get rid of the shadiness of the drug scene, take money out of criminals/gang members pockets, and you don't have a drug store in your community.

obviously if you, say sold coke or something at liquor stores, your community would go to shit. but if it was strictly online, it would be better.

>>44910735
Obviously, I wouldn't ever touch it unless i was terminally ill or legitimately suicidal, but people don't quit because it's not nice

>>44910815
>cigarette overdose

>>44909559
The authorities would watch that board 24/7. The moment some stupid teenager posted saying that he'd sell, the whole website would be shut down.

>>44910836
Yeah, because then there'd be less cokeheads to do dangerous shit while jacked up on coke!

Oh, wait a second...

>>44910836
>obviously if you, say sold coke or something at liquor stores, your community would go to shit. but if it was strictly online, it would be better.
How would people with no internet access get it?

>>44910815
>no over the counter sales

You literally didnt understand the arguments at all. Open for presriptions to current addicts, provide them with high quality heroin and proper needle assistance. In addition to good medical follow up. Eliminate the black market, because no addicts will buy shit heroin on the streets when they can get good heroin for free. Thus eliminating recruitment.

>>44910650
>I guess the OD rate for heroin is a lot higher though

Which isn't because the heroin OD is easier to achieve than alcohol -- both have a fairly low ratio of overdose amount to recreational amount. But with alcohol you know exactly the strength and how much you're putting into yourself -- with heroin the potency varies day to day, area to area, dealer to dealer, etc, so it's much more unpredictable. Additionally, some people come out of prison still addicted, go back to their old dose, and OD that way since they no longer have a tolerance. Most of the danger is related to prohibition, as with all drugs (except scopolamine - FUCK that shit).

>>44910834
That is happening anyway, and less people would die if it were regulated

>>44910836
yeah but niggers don't have internet, idiot.

>>44910855
>lung cancer

>>44910866
Have fun paying for that.

>>44910884
for every junky that dies is one less person trying to steal my TV

>>44910864
they wouldn't all congregate in one place. if bob from down the street does coke, it doesn't really matter. if most of your community does it, than it's a problem. the point is you don't want shady characters to hang out in your community, such as drug dealers, and the types of people in the drug scene.

>>44910865
>>44910886

it's 2014, even homeless people have smartphones now. everyone has internet access.

>>44910099
>Mushrooms and LSD are safe
I would go that far..
just less dangerous.

>>44910929
wow you should go into politics, they could use your help determining policy

>>44910866
>I want to reward junkies who aren't contributing to society.

>>44910932
>it's 2014, even homeless people have smartphones now
Yeah, when I go downtown all those homeless people asking me for a square/money for the bus/"I just got out of county man I need some money" are sure active on those social networks
You're fucking retarded.

>>44910952
Not a bad idea, do junkies even care about voting?

>>44910906
Im Norwegian, it would literally be pocket change in the grand scheme of things. We provide unemployed people with a lot welfare anyways. Its expensive as shit having people unemployed. The net gain over time from eliminating heroin addiction would definitely be worth it.

>>44910866

>>44910906
Exactly this. My tax money isn't going to degenerates who need to shoot up. Fuck that and fuck you.

>>44910951

They're both about as dangerous as weed

>>44910862
/b/ has drug hookup/meetup threads etc all the time

/mu/ is accepting of drugs depending on the time of day. Mostly if you mention weed tho, Quentin posts show up
/fa/ is ok with drugs it seems, mostly coke and h tho

>>44909349
Fucking junkie scum

>>44910963
You're not rewarding them, you're just keeping them from dying. And what are you contributing to society?

>>44910891
>vein cancer

>>44910989
> muh tax moeny

OK Galt

>mfw republicans on /mu/
>mfw liberals on /mu/
can you guys fuck off

>>44910990
Maybe on the body but i'd say they're more risky psychologically.

>>44910989
So you'd rather your tax money go to the military to help kill innocent people or to drug addicts who need help?

>>44911000
Yeah, but a dedicated board would raise much more suspicion.

>>44910984
Don't you let murderers who burn down churches go to minimum security prisons? I'm sure you're all very sane folk.
>>44911003
See >>44910929

>>44910989
your tax money is currently paying for the immeasurably greater costs of the effects of prohibition. want your tax bill down? vote/campaign for legalisation and regulation of all drugs

>>44911021
I'd rather it go to neither

>>44910972
okay, not EVERYONE does, but the vast majority of people do. if you're too poor to have a phone/internet access, you're too poor to do drugs. go to the library or something and order it then?

>>44910989
more money will be spent ignoring the problem. if you do that, they could spread diseases from dirty needles. giving addicts clean needles is good for the community, it prevents the spread of HIV/hepatitis.

>>44911021
implying the military isnt based as fuck
its like the most powerful thing ever

>>44911000
>/fa/ is ok with drugs it seems, mostly coke and h tho
Only because it's fashionable and keeps them skinny. /fa/ is entirely made up of posers.

>>44909836
>>44909836

How did you get off opiates? having a bit of an oxt problem atm and its going not getting better

>>44911021
>drug addicts who need help?
They don't want help though. You can never help someone who doesn't want it.

>>44911021
>drug addicts who need help?
pffffffthahahahah they did it to themselves why should I fucking help them?

>>44911031
Not all drugs are equal though. Some are more deadly than others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSsSazEEKSU

>>44911066
because generosity is a virtue

>>44911066
because free will isnt real

>>44911047
Are you familiar with suboxine?

>>44909354

if you go to 420chan - all the boards are of happy people enjoying drugs except for the heroin/opiate board, they are miserable addicts

>>44911066
Because you're not a sociopath? The world doesn't work if everyone only looks out for themselves.

>>44910932
Drug dealers are not okay, but the people hopped up on coke are? It doesn't take a congregation of junkies to kill 3 cops during a burglary, it takes one fuckhead who just railed 3 lines of some pure cocaine he bought online two days ago.

>>44911094
>happy people enjoying drugs
If you were happy, you wouldn't need drugs in the first place

>>44911079
>I'm making the conscious choice to do drugs, and keep using them until I'm addicted
Ok.

>>44911097
You will never succeed in life if you don't look out for yourself.

>>44911122
>bait

>>44911131
he didnt choose to be the kind of person who would make that choice :^)

>>44911136
I'm not saying you should look out for yourself, I'm saying you shouldn't only look out for yourself.

>>44911122
>implying drugs are always used as escapism

>tfw can't feel anything at all anymore, not depression not anything, just constant apathy towards everything

>>44911122

> 2014
> not experiencing the full range of consciousness that is only made possible through the use of intoxicants
> denying yourself novel experiences during your short, finite life, in favor of the ordinary

>>44911167
compromise is very confusing for these people

>>44911167
OK but why help people who don't want help?
>>44911177
They are
>>44911151
Boring.

>>44911074
sure, but if were talking about monetary costs to society, prohibition is always by far the more expensive option. illegality means vast direct expenditure in policing and imprisonment and even greater indirect costs in a multitude of forms, the cost of the crime committed to pay for drugs (passed on to you in your home insurance premiums and prices you pay in shops that suffer from shoplifting), lost tax revenue from a huge black market etc
you could give every junkie free or cost price heroin & clean rigs and offer free residential rehab to anyone who wanted it for a tiny fraction of what it costs to keep heroin illegal, and pass the rest of the savings on to the taxpayer.

>>44911117
most people who do coke aren't psychos that kill cops. most people who do it, you would never guess. it could be your neighbor, your co-worker, whoever.

people are always surprised when i say i do drugs, it's not like i run around like a madman with a bloody nose or something, i just do a few bumps from time to time.

the point i was making is if you had a physical "drug store", it would attract a sketchy crowd, and would negatively affect your community. it's a bad thing to have all these drug users congregated in one spot.

but if, say your neighbor, and a few people here and there in your town want to do a few bumps, i don't see a problem.

>>44911188
>not experiencing the full range of consciousness that is only made possible through the use of intoxicants
But YOU aren't experiencing it directly, it's just the drugs doing it for you.

The moment you shoot that shit up you say gg no re to your life. There is nothing worse you could possibly do, you fucking idiot faggot. You're a worthless fucking junkie, go ahead and sell your computer right now, you'll do it anyway later, and don't forget to google "how to give the gayest brojob" because that drug money ain't gonna earn itself.

To stay on topic: Nirvana in Utero or some generic floyd stuff. Mainstream answer, but you don't deserve any better.

>>44909322
WOW YOURE SUCH A JOKER

>>44911218
being this mad

>>44911093
>>44911093
yeah, ive messed with them before. is it really viable? because i feel like it would end up just passing off one thing for another. is it easy to get a script for?

>>44911097
And if people want to do that, that's fine.
But I should never be forced to pay, through taxes, for degenerate addicts to do drugs.
Make it voluntary, I don't care, don't fucking force me to pay for an addict's high

>>44911213
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

>>44911218
i want to do heroin just to spite you

>>44911207
I understand that most people can do it with no problems, but I'm saying when it's so readily available the chances of that one whackjob getting a hold of something that'll set him off are raised exponentially. Not to mention he now has a reliable source for it.

>>44911188
Said the addict
>>44911197
OK but imagine the vast expenditure of the hospital care for chronic addicts, for child services who need to rescue the children of careless addicts, the petty crime and felony rate when these unregulated addicts start steeling to fuel their habits.
>>44911249
Yes it's easy. And what you can do is taper yourself off over a period of time.

>>44911213
>But YOU aren't experiencing it directly, it's just the drugs doing it for you.

My brain is experiencing it. Drugs act on receptors in the brain. Drugs cause the brain to experience things. Drugs themselves cannot experience anything nor do they have intentions. This is not a difficult concept.

>>44911274
if that's worth it in your eyes you don't deserve any better so go ahead.

>>44911322
There are other ways to do this, read The Doors of Perception by Huxley.

>>44911301
>Said the addict

Unless you also avoid caffeine and alcohol, chamomile tea, dark chocolate, and a wide variety of other psychoactive herbs entirely, you're not one to talk.

>>44911213
If you really want to use that argument, technically you're not ever really experiencing anything, it's just your brain interpreted external stimuli.

>>44911285
You're implying it isnt already readily available. Maybe you have lived a really sheltered life, but drugs really are easy to score.

>>44911259
As >>44911197 it costs less than punishing junkies though. Everyone would benefit from legalising and controlling drugs except for parents and teacher who will have to come up with better explanations for why kids shouldn't do drugs than "they're illegal".

>>44911233
Well ,he's true though. Heroin is a shit-tier drug.

>>44911338
>The Doors of Perception

It's about him tripping on mescaline. Which is a drug. He even says in there that ascetic routes to transcendence like Christianity will likely never work for everyone.

>>44911301
>hospital care for chronic addicts, for child services who need to rescue the children of careless addicts
these are happening anyway and legalisation wouldnt increase any of them
>the petty crime and felony rate when these unregulated addicts start steeling to fuel their habits
I dont understand. thats exactly what happens atm, but heroin is very cheap to produce. people only have to commit crime to pay for it because prohibition leads to high prices on the street. legalise and provide people who want it with a source at the price it actually costs and the crime rate would drop overnight.

>>44911351
I am a former opiate addict who spent time in prison, so I know EXACTLY what I am talking about.

If you were a well adjusted happy person, you wouldn't need to do any of this.
>>44911411
Cry more about it.
>>44911413
>these are happening anyway and legalisation wouldnt increase any of them
Of course it would.
>people only have to commit crime to pay for it because prohibition leads to high prices on the street
No, the commit crimes to pay for it because they don't have a job and have no source of income to pay for their drug. Legalizing it would not make that problem go away. If anything, you are condoning addicts with no job who are a burden on our society.

>>44911338
Huxley was pretty much tripping balls 24/7...

>>44911301
>OK but imagine the vast expenditure of the hospital care for chronic addicts, for child services who need to rescue the children of careless addicts, the petty crime and felony rate when these unregulated addicts start steeling to fuel their habits.
>implying you aren't already paying for that

>>44911351
>All these drugs compare to actual recreational drugs
Please just hang yourself now you worthless piece of shit

>>44911504
We would be paying for even more, because all those people we lock up would be on the streets.

>>44911532
locking these people up does no good. when they get out, they'll be hardened criminals, and be pariahs to employers with a felony on their record.

>>44911475
>If you were a well adjusted happy person, you wouldn't need to do any of this.

Well I was never addicted to heroin in the first place, despite having used it in the past, I never felt compelled to use it more than once or twice a year out of novelty.

You're taking your heroin addiction experience and painting in broad strokes over all other drugs.

Protip: having a few drinks with friends at a bar on the weekend is perfectly normal and well-adjusted, it's not escapism. Smoking weed and watching The Hobbit is not indicative of someone trying to drown their misery in chemicals. taking acid at a concert is not the same thing as using heroin to cope with miserable circumstances.

>>44911532
Keeping people is pretty fucking expensive, more expensive actually.

>>44911475
>Of course it would.
why?
>Legalizing it would not make that problem go away.
The actual cost of producing enough heroin to supply an addict for a day is pennies. The street price atm is a result of the need to smuggle it around the world and the fact that the people involved in the trade want to make enough profit to make the risk of lengthy imprisonment worthwhile.

Im not making this up, every single study (and there have been many) done on the financial aspect of prohibition raises these exact points and comes to the same conclusion; ie prohibition is vastly more expensive than decriminalisation.

>>44911475
>If you were a well adjusted happy person, you wouldn't need to do any of this.
Well, it seems like nearly no one except mormons and scientologists are well adjusted happy people. I guess I prefer to be an "unhappy person" who drink coffee and a beer sometimes with friends.

>>44911563
*in prison

>>44911528
>Please just hang yourself now you worthless piece of shit

They differ in degree. All of them act on neuroreceptors in the brain, and often on the same receptors as other recreational drugs. If you accept that those are acceptable, then you implicitly accept the proposition that there is a line at which point something is or is not recreational -- that somewhere, the degree of activity causes something to become an unacceptable recreational drug. In doing so, you make the statement that all drugs are escapist/necessary dependent entirely on the position of that line.

In other words, I am saying that the line is in a different place than you believe it to be. I am arguing that the line's placement is dependent on circumstance and the personality of the user, whereas you have not described where and why the line is placed as is. You take it for granted without any stated reason.

>>44911551
That is true. But rewriting the law so there is no punishment for their actions is also no good
>>44911556
>You're taking your heroin addiction experience and painting in broad strokes over all other drugs.
Pretty sure I just told Crowfeathers the opposite of that.
>>44911556
>Protip: having a few drinks with friends at a bar on the weekend is perfectly normal and well-adjusted, it's not escapism.
If that's true then I challenge you to go dry for 3 months.
>>44911566
>why?
See above
>The street price atm is a result of the need to smuggle it around the world and the fact that the people involved in the trade want to make enough profit to make the risk of lengthy imprisonment worthwhile.
Do you really think the government won't raise the price of legalized and regulated heroin? And then do you really think there won't be a black market cheaper alternative to the regulated heroin, putting us back to square 1?

PS we alreday have legalized heroin: it's called oxycontin. Research it and tell me it's not a problem.
>>44911582
OK

>>44911645
>If that's true then I challenge you to go dry for 3 months.

I haven't had a drink in a month because I've been working weekends. What's your point? That having a few beers on the weekend with friends implies alcohol addiction/dependence? Are you a mormon?

>>44909725
>just realised that katy perry's hot and cold was actually a heartbreaking portrayal of heroin addiction

>>44911696
>That having a few beers on the weekend with friends implies alcohol addiction/dependence?
OK so you are saying that you'd be able to get together with some friends at a bar on weekends and NOT drink, for three months?

>>44911645
>Do you really think the government won't raise the price of legalized and regulated heroin?
Why would they do that when the whole point of legalisation would be to bring the cost, and the subsequent need for crime to pay for it, down? Or they could just hand it over to a regulated industry and leave it to simple market forces.
>there won't be a black market cheaper alternative to the regulated heroin
There wouldn't, if the supply chain was regulated and supply outside of it led to the same penalties as it does atm. Who would set up an international distribution network and risk 30 to life to make a few pennies on each deal? Its absurd.

>>44911740
Not the Anon you're talking with, but i've done just that to save some money up. Still met up with my friends, even went clubbing, but didn't consume any alcohol or even any kind of drug. Did not have any issues.

>>44911740
you sound like an SxE faggot. there's nothing wrong with having a couple beers on the weekends.

>>44911769
>Why would they do that when the whole point of legalisation would be to bring the cost, and the subsequent need for crime to pay for it, down?
Because it's TAXABLE and they are GOVERNMENT! Are you serious?! How much did you pay for cigarettes ten years ago?
>Or they could just hand it over to a regulated industry and leave it to simple market forces.
>>44911783
OK excellent you sou8nd like a well adjusted happy person. Not sure why you are on 4chan though.
>>44911822
Nah. Let me know when you can answer my question.

>>44911740
>OK so you are saying that you'd be able to get together with some friends at a bar on weekends and NOT drink, for three months?

Why the fuck would we go to the bar if we weren't doing to drink? That's kind of the whole point of bars.

If we go hiking we don't drink, but going to a bar *implies* that you are going to drink at least some. Do you frequently go into a bar and drink nothing but caffeine-free herbal tea all night long?

>>44911853
>Why the fuck would we go to the bar if we weren't doing to drink? That's kind of the whole point of bars.
OK so I take it you can't do it. Thanks for playing.

>>44911851
i've gone to bars without drinking, i've been the designated driver. somebody going to bars every now and then is not a drug addict or someone out of control, it's not a big deal.

>>44911897
OK excellent you sound like a well adjusted happy person. Not sure why you are on 4chan though.

>>44911899
>>44911917
>>44911939
Jerk City is fucking terrible. It isn't fun at all.

>>44911877

Playing what? You have not put forward one single logical argument at all in this entire thread.

Going to a bar and not drinking is like going to a gym and not working out. It doesn't make any sense. What would it prove?

If you're really so utilitarian that you don't see the point in drinking any alcohol for social reasons, am I to also assume that you apply that logic to other parts of your life -- that you work out regularly, that you eat nothing but healthy and well-balanced food, etc? Why the vendetta against something so socially normal and well-adjusted?

>>44909228

Is there a drug essentials list? I was thinking about Crystal Meth, but that's mainstream.

>>44911851
Because it's TAXABLE and they are GOVERNMENT!
I dont even know how to respond to that. If you adopt a certain approach to a problem that solves it, you don't then go and immediately shoot yourself in the foot and take the most short-sighted route possible to recreate the problem you just solved..
To restate: Legalisation would save VAST amounts of money. Prohibition costs VAST amounts of money. Every single academic and economic study and model ever done confirms this. Look them up if you dont believe me. If the government is as intent as you think on saving/collecting as much money as possible, then legalisation/decriminalisation is the way to proceed.
The only reason it doesn't happen is political cowardice, there are too many votes to be had from the uninformed "we must be tough on drugs" demographic.

well we're past the bump limit now so goodbye thread

I think we all learned something about books today

>>44911213
Wat.

>>44911969
Are you there to drink or there to interact with friends?

The fact that you can't do this simple task that at least two others in this thread can do shows me you are an addict, or at least have an addictive personality, and you are trying your best to rationalize. Have you tried to get help?
>>44912008
How much did you pay for cigarettes ten years ago?

>>44912015
guess we'll have to start a new thread

>>44910525
>MDMA comedown's worse than a hangover

MDMA comedown is one of the most beautiful things I've ever experienced, I felt cleansed and so calm, like I understood everything and nothing at once but I also didn't care about it at all. It's kind of hard to put into words. And I was just mildly feeling down the next day, nothing out of the ordinary.

I might not be a reliable source though, as I don't get hangovers from alcohol at all anymore, the worst one I've ever had involved puking blood until 3 pm.

OP here Im not really a heroin user I just wanted some good recs. thanks guys

>>44912134
Less than now but the two things have no connection
Decriminalisation would be a considered change in policy specifically to address the problems prohibition causes in society. A government that was convinced enough of the benefits of decrim enough to summon the political will to proceed would not then immediately undo all the good they have done and squander the billions they stood to save. I cannot for the life of me understand why you think they would.

>>44912269
We'll have to agree to disagree ,Crow.

>>44912134
Tobacco sellers don't sell cigarettes to help addicts to have a quality, reliable product in order to limit overdoses. Governments taxes cigarettes because cancerous people cost a lot of money to the medical public system. You are comparing apples and oranges man.

By the way, you can have a heroin prescription in Switzerland if you are an addict and I think it works for them.

>>44912134
>Are you there to drink or there to interact with friends?

Both. Because it's a bar. That's what bars are for. If we didn't want to drink, we would socialize elsewhere. The entire point of bars is to drink and socialize. That's what bars are for. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Alcohol also functions as a social lubricant, which is useful if you're like me and have social anxiety.

>you are an addict, or at least have an addictive personality
> Have you tried to get help?
You've got to either be trolling or really autistic.

Drinking beer on the weekends in a social setting in no way qualifies as addiction. Alcohol addiction is a physiological change that occurs due to NMDA upregulation in response to continual exposure to ethanol's NMDA antagonist properties, combined with downregulation of GABA(A) subtypes alpha 1-6 due to ethanol's agonistic effects on them. If those two things haven't occurred, then you are not addicted to alcohol, QED.

Using something in a particular social setting does not make it an addiction, anymore than always having Soup on Sunday makes you addicted to soup.

Alcohol addiction is a real, physiological change in the baseline sensitivity of neural receptors and levels of endogenous neurotransmitters. It is something that occurs through heavy daily use, not having a few beers on a saturday night over the course of several hours, which is how most people experience it. You are factually incorrect, both in the scientific sense and in the sense used by those who actually treat addiction.

>>44912343
You have soup EVERY Sunday?
You're a lost cause, a mess of addictions and messed-up perceptions.

>>44912343
>which is useful if you're like me and have social anxiety.
Like I said, you are not a happy well adjusted person. Stop getting defensive about it, I don't even care.
>>44912339
>By the way, you can have a heroin prescription in Switzerland if you are an addict and I think it works for them.
Then you dolts can go live in Switzerland if you want to bitch about legalizing hard drugs.

>>44912310
I guess. But if you're really interested in this stuff, please do look into some of the studies I mentioned, I'm not lying, they really do all agree that decriminalisation would save taxpayers a fortune and prevent a great deal of harm to users. The current status quo of prohibition is one of the greatest iniquities perpetuated by the political class against a vulnerable section of society at enormous cost to the rest of us.

>>44912434
>But if you're really interested in this stuff, please do look into some of the studies I mentioned, I'm not lying, they really do all agree that decriminalisation would save taxpayers a fortune and prevent a great deal of harm to users.
That is not my life experience and no "study" will disprove what I've seen with my own eyes.
>The current status quo of prohibition is one of the greatest iniquities perpetuated by the political class against a vulnerable section of society at enormous cost to the rest of us.
Ugh please stop.

>>44912399
>Then you dolts can go live in Switzerland if you want to bitch about legalizing hard drugs.
>I have no more arguments so I can only resort to ad hominem attacks now
Enjoy that cognitive dissonance, my reactionary friend.

>>44912470
>That is not my life experience
You live in a country where decriminalisation has happened?

>>44912482
>I saw CLT use the term "cognitive dissonance" once
>I better use it, it might just work even though I have no ideas what it means
lel Talk about having no argument left

>>44912531
Do you?

>>44912553
No, thats why I haven't claimed to have any life experience of decriminalisation and instead referred to the innumerable academic studies done by people who are better at economics than either of us.

>>44912579
OK cool. Because I was referring to the time I've spent as an addict and observing addicts in prison.

>>44912252
You motherfucker.

>>44912482
I'm a cognitive science undergraduate and I learned that concept in a social psychology course, asshole.

>>44912390
>You have soup EVERY Sunday?

Yeah, I go to my parent's house for soup sunday nearly every sunday. I moved out at 18 and lived alone for four years now, but I still have two little sisters and a dog waiting for me there, and it's nice to share a glass of wine and some soup with the family now and again.

>>44912399
>Like I said, you are not a happy well adjusted person

I am quite happy, actually. And if alcohol helps me with social anxiety that I've struggled with since I was a child, in what way does that make alcohol anything other than a medicine? Or are you suggesting that I stop taking alcohol until I get rid of my social anxiety? Because that would be quite the ignorant statement, like telling someone to "just get over" their depression.

>>44912630
Did they teach you to reply to the right person?

>>44912587
So your experience is of the effects of criminalisation of users rather than decriminalisation?

>>44912649
>Or are you suggesting that I stop taking alcohol until I get rid of my social anxiety?
Nope. I passed no judgement on you. calm down.
>Because that would be quite the ignorant statement, like telling someone to "just get over" their depression.
Well they should but that's another story.
>>44912651
Why won't you just imply accept that I disagree with you?

>>44912674
Its clear you disagree but this is something I care passionately about so I try to persuade whoever I can of the case for decriminalisation because the only way things will ever change is through electoral pressure.

>>44912650
Yes, but I was bored during that course so I'm not good at it.

>>44912744
OK Crow well I'm going to give you a little tip about real life because I like you... something I've learned because I am older than you and have more life experience than you:

The people who preach about these inane and irrelevant social issues have the LUXURY to do so. They do it because they don't have their own fucking problems to deal with. They do it because they are 20 and don't have a mortgage or kids or bills or whatever are entitled and think they can and should change the world. But as life goes, you realize you CAN'T change the world--you can only change yourself. Hence, stop giving a fuck about other people and give a fuck about yourself. It churns my stomach every petition that gets sent my way. Poverty? How is this going to pay my past due electric bill? it's not. Because you need to look after yourself first.

Addicts for example: they don't want your help. If they did, they wouldn't be addicts. The drug itself is not the problem; the drug is treating an underlying problem with that individual. They don't want a job. They don't want responsibilities. The drug is an excuse to run away form that. And then the penal system is an excuse to bitch about it all.

I've seen it all. Watch the behavior of a dry-drunk. They want strife. They want trouble. They want a reason. You legalize all the drugs, then the addicts will find something else. They will CREATE a new problem to have.

>>44909228
10/10

>>44912996
went for a shower
Its clear we have very different views on life and what's important in society. Nothing will ever stop me caring about other people, I guess that's just my nature but its also my considered opinion that the mindset of individualism is a destructive and ultimately counter productive one. Of course one must look after oneself first but then I believe in looking after other people too. We're a social species, everything that defines us and everything of note or value we achieve is a result of collective endeavour.
But to return to the subject at hand, you're right that addicts use drugs as sticking plasters for their problems but Im not trying to solve those problems. I'm advocating the end of the persecution of drug users, which is currently done for no benefit to anyone. Not the users and not society at large, it simply causes more problems and costs for both.

>>44913953
>Its clear we have very different views on life and what's important in society. Nothing will ever stop me caring about other people, I guess that's just my nature but its also my considered opinion that the mindset of individualism is a destructive and ultimately counter productive one. Of course one must look after oneself first but then I believe in looking after other people too. We're a social species, everything that defines us and everything of note or value we achieve is a result of collective endeavour.
Alright, that's fine, I used to believe that when I was college too. Then 15 years later, life taught me a different set of values. Perhaps in 15 years you'll change your mind too. If not, that's fine but that's because you had the luxury not to.
>But to return to the subject at hand, you're right that addicts use drugs as sticking plasters for their problems but Im not trying to solve those problems. I'm advocating the end of the persecution of drug users, which is currently done for no benefit to anyone.
They stole my TV to buy drugs. I would benefit if he went to jail for it. End of story.

>>44914102
>15 years
I'm not in college and haven't been for some years. I have a job and pay tax. I'd very much like to pay less tax, which is one reason I advocate decriminalisation. I'm not coming at this from the position of youth and inexperience you assume. You've got a couple of years on me, tops.
>They stole my TV to buy drugs. I would benefit if he went to jail for it. End of story.
Except its not the end of the story. You're now paying to keep someone in jail and if there was a cheap and safe supply of drugs available they wouldn't have had to steal the TV in the first place. But we're going round in circles now, I've made that point two or three times already and the thread is about to 404 anyway.

>>44914674
>You're now paying to keep someone in jail and if there was a cheap and safe supply of drugs available they wouldn't have had to steal the TV in the first place.
Where would they get the money to pay for drugs?